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Dana,
You can justify having more black ink pads than shoes because - -really aren't we all stamping barefoot and...the pads are cheaper than shoes and stay in style longer!
I love Copics so much more the Prismacolor markers. Smoother blending and coloring to me. The best combo I have found is Georgia Pacific and VersaFine Onyx Black.
I have been doing some internet research on Copic vs. Prismacolor markers and this is the best review I have found. Thanks so much. Now I just need to find the best place to get the Copic Markers. (As in cheapest)
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So...where do i get this Palette Noir that you speak of!!!! Quick before they are sold out everywhere i go, LOL Thanks for all this work, but the pictures speak for themselves and it is a clear cut winner, IMO
Palette Inks can be purchase from many different places.
The Angel Company sells it! about $6.00 for a full size pad http://www.ismyangel.net/Locator/
To find a Demo in your area.
Thanks for the legwork on this!! I am new to Pallette Noir and kicked myself for waiting so long to get it. I think it is a great ink and wish I had it months ago.
I'm glad I ran across this thread. I've been trying to find the best permenant ink. I am no scientist, but I do appreciate all the work you put into such a comprehensive test!
I feel so relieved - the scientific method used to answer a critical question in the stamping world. I had not quite gotten to the point of a clinical testing paradigm, but was soooo very frustrated with my lovely Copic markers either bleeding, smearing the ink, not blending, or bleeding through the paper. By process of elimination, I discovered the watercolor paper/Palette ink combo worked best.
BTW, agree that a retest is necessary - afterall, want to validate the results.
Also, as I've told my husband a number of times (when he is brave enough to question either # of pairs of black shoes and/or # of black inks), a woman simply cannot have enough pairs of black shoes or black inks - there is an infinitely expanding universe, governed by laws of relativity, that has predetermined this to be true.
Hobby Lobby if you want them NOW.
I lucked out today with the cashier there.
She let me use 8 coupons for 40% off (you can find them on the hobby lobby website, especially if you sign up for their mailing specials). She also used special price to start with. So I went out of the store with each Copic sketch marker costing me $2.15 including tax.
Of course, different store, different cashier might have different rules.
There are also Copic Ciao markers -- I've never used these.
Copics are also sold in sets at allthatscraps.com and at Ellen Hutson's website and several other places.
For those Canadians out there - I just found a great alternative. I really didn't want to have to order paper, so I went shopping. At Office Depot, I purchased 250 sheets of Xerox 110lb paper for $14.99. Prior to buying the package, I purchased a single sheet from the copy centre and tried my prismacolor marker on it - no instant bleeding, so I thought I would give it a try. I have just stamped on it with both Palette Hybrid Noir and Black Staz-On and neither of them smeared. I do try to color in the lines, but even with the yellows I didn't have any ink movement and the prismacolors did not bleed.
I will also be trying this paper for prismacolor pencils and gamsol and for watercoloring. It is nice and heavy and can also be used for the card base! The markers do soak through the paper, so the images will have to be mounted, but that's not a big deal for me.
Given this is Xerox brand paper, I'm sure it's available in office supply stores in the US as well.
Just found this post in my quest to see which is better copic or prismacolor, and I must say it is excellent information! I have 2 copic markers & the blender and have been very frustrated with my image smearing. Now I'm going to try the pallet noir hybrid.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Tami,
Being that I had "talked" on this thread I feel I should let you know that I have trouble with my Palette ink smearing with the Copics as well. The only inks that will not smear that I have found are the Adirondack inks (Pitch Black and Espresso are the two I have tried) and then any pigment ink. The thing with the pigment inks is that you must be patient and allow them to fully dry or heat set them. Being that Copics are alcohol based they will smear most regular inks - Staz On and SU Basic Black Classic are two of the worst, but the others are pretty bad too.
I hope this saves you a few extra dollars although I love my Palette ink for watercoloring. It is the best in my opinion for that purpose. What's a girl to do? I think I have about 15 black ink pads at this point - LOL!
this is so interesting since my copics bleed with palette ink. Maybe it is the humidity levels in our parts of the country?? I'm no scientist that's for sure.
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I was just thinking that I needed to redo my experiment with my batch of new black (and brown) inks (I think I'm up to 13 black inks now... eeek), as well as the new papers that are available now (specifically the papertrey white).
As the OP, I think that anybody still reading this old thread ought to go check out this post on Ellen's blog... it's awesome!
The words I wanted to write to describe your study are "WOW" & "scientific"...I see most of the other poster have used the same descriptions. Have you thought of sending this to one of the stamping magazines? I think you could be published. If I were you, I'd send this in to Rubber Stamper. Thanks so much for doing this.
You should test Adirondak Pitch Black. I have heard, hand's down, that is the winner. I saw it tested and it was awesome. I've heard it is the best choice.
I just read the original post. I think this is fantastic. As someone who does quantitative analysis & a whole lot of A/B testing for a living, this was totally up my alley!
Hi, y'all! I'm quite the lurker on this forum, but I wanted to thank you for this great information. I've just started getting into watercoloring and this thread is very on-point about the inks.
I just bought the pallette hybrid inks in the spots. I am too impatient to wait and get the large pads a little at a time. I absolutely love them. I am a scrapper and a stamper. The SU craft inks(pigment) just take so darn long to dry. Have to say though now I need some more markers. You ladies are the worst enablers!!
I just bought the pallette hybrid inks in the spots. I am too impatient to wait and get the large pads a little at a time. I absolutely love them. I am a scrapper and a stamper. The SU craft inks(pigment) just take so darn long to dry. Have to say though now I need some more markers. You ladies are the worst enablers!!
Where did you get the spots? I havent seen spots - would love this.
Hi, y'all! I'm quite the lurker on this forum, but I wanted to thank you for this great information. I've just started getting into watercoloring and this thread is very on-point about the inks.
Thanks again!
Hi Toodlesyall... welcome to the forums. You're right about all the great info. I am still very much a "stamper-in-training" and there's so many wonderful ideas (and enabling) happening here. I'm in Virginia, too. Are you anywhere near Bristol?
