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Old 09-03-2006, 12:50 PM   #1  
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Question Palette Hybrid Inks. . .

I'm reading about Palette Hybrid Inks and am intrigued.
What are your experiences with this ink?



How does it perform with regards to use with watercoloring, or waterbased markers?


How about on Polyshrink? Acetate? Vellum? And, must it be heat set on these aforementioned surfaces?



Do you get sharp impressions or does it feather (bleed) out?


TIA for your insights!
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Love it, it is my absolute favorite ink. It stamps perfectly and it is vibrant, I just love the colors. I always heat set on slick surfaces. But I do love it on everything. Very sharp images.
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Love it, it is my absolute favorite ink. It stamps perfectly and it is vibrant, I just love the colors. I always heat set on slick surfaces. But I do love it on everything. Very sharp images.
I should say, I love it much better than stayzon. I never use stayzon anymore.
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I haven't used Palette Inks on anything other than paper, but I have to say I LOVE IT! It gets a very sharp impression and doesn't feather out at all, and it doesn't bleed with watercoloring.

I hope to be adding to my collection soon.
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The Noir (black) is wonderful for watercoloring and using gamsol...no problems at all! You can stamp your image and go straight to coloring. I do find some of the pads are very juicy, so sometimes, with a bold image, I get a mottled appearance. Still, I love the colors and so I continue to use it all the time! :grin: You can even use it on tumbled tiles for instance. Haven't tried it on vellum or acetate though so maybe this evening I can play with that and give you a "report" on it!

I have almost all of the spots by now!
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I've always used Stazon or SU basic black until I got my palette ink!! Love it, Julie! You'll love it too!
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These are absolutely my favorite inks. I'm a TAC demo and ordered a few to do a work shop and am hooked. I have used them on a variety of surfaces and with different techniques with no problems
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so what exactly are 'hybrid inks'?
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They dry fast like a dye but have the permanence of a pigment (need to heat set on some surfaces).
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so what exactly are 'hybrid inks'?
Hybrid means a cross between pigment and dye, featuring, hopefully, the best of each of these two inks combined into one multi-purpose ink:

The rich color saturation, and fade-resistance, of pigment inks

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The quick drying properties of dye (waterbased inks).

Stewart Superior's Hybrid Inks are not solvent-based, so they don't have the odor issues that Staz-On has, and, I've learned they don't react and bleed out when Sharpie Markers are used on them, unlike Staz-On, which does. :( I found that very interesting!
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Jana, can you tell me how it performs on vellum, and acetate? I know it must be heat set on glossy. I'm concerned that I'll warp the acetate if I hafta heat it on acetate. . .
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Julie...I've never heat set on vellum. I just let it dry a bit before trying anything with coloring or anything like that.

Otherwise, I really like the ink...I don't even use my SU inks anymore!
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Does it stain your stamps like StazOn does??

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Does it stain your stamps like StazOn does??

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Robyn, do you not have you a stash of Ultra Clean? That stuff takes off *everything*!!! I never worry any more about stains since I found it!

Wish Stewart would produce that stuff in a gallon size refill bottle. I would *so* buy it. :grin:
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Are Hybrid Inks like chalk inks? I was under the impression that chalk inks also have the characteristics of both dye and pigment inks.
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Yes, they will stain your stamps if a.) you don't have Ultra Clean or b.) you don't clean them immediately with another type of cleaner.

I pretty much use the Palette inks exclusively now. I couldn't imagine using anything for so many varied applications, I was always jumping from classic to craft to stazon to versamagic and so on...now I don't have to.
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I would say they are closer to a classic ink in terms of how they stamp on paper as opposed to the chalk inks.
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Are Hybrid Inks like chalk inks? I was under the impression that chalk inks also have the characteristics of both dye and pigment inks.
Chalk inks do have similar characteristics of both dye and pigment, but they also have the added benefit of producing a chalky finish, and have a tendency to feather out just like real chalk on a chalk board, does, UKWIM?

As I understand what I'm reading about Palette Hybrid Inks, they do not produce a "chalk" effect; they stamp crisp like dye and pigment, dry quickly like dye (can't be embossed due to this), with the crisp color saturation of pigment ink--no feathering, no bleeding.

If it does everything I think it does, I may have at last found the ultimate ink for me! ;)

Uh oh . . . . :shock:
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Jana, can you tell me how it performs on vellum, and acetate? I know it must be heat set on glossy. I'm concerned that I'll warp the acetate if I hafta heat it on acetate. . .

I have used it on vellum and it just needs a bit to dry. I have also used the Transcendence Embossing Powder (made for dye inks and works with all others) on the Vellum with the Palettes and it yielded great results.

As for the acetate, I would think that you'd have to let it dry for a bit if you didn't heat set it. I have used the heat safe acetate with it and used the heat tool to dry it (kept the tool moving at a little distance from the acetate) and it works.

I also use it now when I want to index my UM's on the Creative Cling (i.e. EZ mount) like I used to use Staz On. It cleans off easier than the Staz On so it's less work for me to clean them off after indexing. l also use the heat tool to dry the Palettes on the Creative Cling just to save time.
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TAC sells Stewart's brand of stamp cleaner and it's the best...I haven't had any staining since I started using that! Thanks Barbara! (my customer talked me into getting it!)
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I use Burnt Umber almost all the time. I also have Black and Charcoal. I love these for my line stamps. And, I use Stampin' Mist exclusively and have never had them stain my stamps.
 
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Also....don't laugh!...I use Pantene 2 in 1 shampoo/conditioner mixed with water in a spray bottle and that cleans the Palette ink right off the stamps! No staining!!!
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Also....don't laugh!...I use Pantene 2 in 1 shampoo/conditioner mixed with water in a spray bottle and that cleans the Palette ink right off the stamps! No staining!!!
I wouldn't laugh at this...I've noticed that when my fingers are stained with ink and I wash my hair -- the ink virtually disappears! Only very faint stains are left, if any.
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Where can you buy the hybrid inks or at least see some examples where they have been used?
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I have used it on vellum and it just needs a bit to dry. I have also used the Transcendence Embossing Powder (made for dye inks and works with all others) on the Vellum with the Palettes and it yielded great results.

As for the acetate, I would think that you'd have to let it dry for a bit if you didn't heat set it. I have used the heat safe acetate with it and used the heat tool to dry it (kept the tool moving at a little distance from the acetate) and it works.

I also use it now when I want to index my UM's on the Creative Cling (i.e. EZ mount) like I used to use Staz On. It cleans off easier than the Staz On so it's less work for me to clean them off after indexing. l also use the heat tool to dry the Palettes on the Creative Cling just to save time.
Jana, Not to hijack here-

But- how do you index. I've heard people say that before. Do you stamp your whole sheet of TAC stamps onto the cling and then attach it and cut? If so, how do you line it up so well?
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But- how do you index. I've heard people say that before. Do you stamp your whole sheet of TAC stamps onto the cling and then attach it and cut? If so, how do you line it up so well?
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Gina- I indexed a few of my TAC sets using Stazon. I inked the entire, uncut rubber and layed the cling on top of it. Then I placed the rubber on the sticky side of the cling estimating where I had laid it before. Then I cut. Some of the things lined up better than others but I think my best guess was about as good as placing stickers on wood blocks. I'm in two minds about doing this. I think it may reduce the amount of cling on the more bold images- as some of them (such as a small button) don't stick as well. But it is nice to see what's on your block... although I use my cut lines in the rubber/cling to line the image up, rather than the index on the back- same as with my wood blocks- I try to look and see where the stamp is, rather than rely on a sticker that may be poorly placed.
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TAC sells Palette Hybrid Inks. They are not exclusive though, so you could google for them and might be able to find them elsewhere. I'm sure any Angel on this site would be glad to help you get your hands on some


I searched "Palette" ink the gallery and a bunch of cards that used the inks came up. HTH
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Gina- I indexed a few of my TAC sets using Stazon. I inked the entire, uncut rubber and layed the cling on top of it. Then I placed the rubber on the sticky side of the cling estimating where I had laid it before. Then I cut. Some of the things lined up better than others but I think my best guess was about as good as placing stickers on wood blocks. I'm in two minds about doing this. I think it may reduce the amount of cling on the more bold images- as some of them (such as a small button) don't stick as well. But it is nice to see what's on your block... although I use my cut lines in the rubber/cling to line the image up, rather than the index on the back- same as with my wood blocks- I try to look and see where the stamp is, rather than rely on a sticker that may be poorly placed.
Thanks! I will do this from now on. Guess I have to go buy some more TAC stamps.
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Chalk inks do have similar characteristics of both dye and pigment, but they also have the added benefit of producing a chalky finish, and have a tendency to feather out just like real chalk on a chalk board, does, UKWIM?

As I understand what I'm reading about Palette Hybrid Inks, they do not produce a "chalk" effect; they stamp crisp like dye and pigment, dry quickly like dye (can't be embossed due to this), with the crisp color saturation of pigment ink--no feathering, no bleeding.

If it does everything I think it does, I may have at last found the ultimate ink for me! ;)

Uh oh . . . . :shock:
You are right Julie - they do not yeild the 'chalk' effect. They are bright and vibrant like the SU! or other dye and pigment inks on the market. They do dry quickly but you CAN emboss them if you use the Transcendence Embossing powder (mentioned in my last post). This is an EP that is made specifically for dye inks (and works with all others!). You do have to work a little more quickly than you do with pigments but you simply apply the Transcendence to the image right after stamping and heat as you would with any other EP. It's clear so you can mix it with scented powders (kool-aid and such), pearl ex or glitter.
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So does ink work on any color CS? I would love ink that will show up on dark CS.
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Gina - the best way that I find to line it up is by putting the rubber face up on the counter, ink with the Palettes (or Staz On) and then when I go to lay the cling on, I will try to evenly line up two edges - for me it's usually the left side and the bottom - then after I heat set/dry the Palette on the Creative Cling and clean the rubber, I will flip the rubber face down and line up the bottom and the right side (opposite of the side I lined up when it was face up). This has worked best for me and lines up the best when I cut the rubber.

HTH...back to the regularly scheduled Palette discussion....
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Gina - the best way that I find to line it up is by putting the rubber face up on the counter, ink with the Palettes (or Staz On) and then when I go to lay the cling on, I will try to evenly line up two edges - for me it's usually the left side and the bottom - then after I heat set/dry the Palette on the Creative Cling and clean the rubber, I will flip the rubber face down and line up the bottom and the right side (opposite of the side I lined up when it was face up). This has worked best for me and lines up the best when I cut the rubber.

HTH...back to the regularly scheduled Palette discussion....
Thanks Jana, That makes a lot of sense.
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Another kind of ink to look into is Versafine, made by our friends at Tsukineko, makers of Versamark. Here's what the website says about them:

"Looking for an ink to give you extremely fine detail? An ink that you are able to watercolor or marker over and it won't bleed? Then look no further! This natural oil-based pigment ink dries instantly on matte cardstock. You won't believe it till you see it. Available in 10 colors, no inkers needed. Inkpad lasts 3-5 times longer than regular inks. "

Before I became a demo, I became fascinated by the fact that they said these pads were extra-good for detailed stamps, so I bought a few when they were on sale and I really like them!! And I have used them when watercoloring too. And the fact that they last forever is pretty good too!! I have the Black, Sepia, dark Green, and dark blue and red. They've come out with new colors too. The Smoky gray would be interesting!

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PS I've found Versafine at Hobby Lobby and Joann's. Not all the colors, but at least you could get a couple to play with and see if you like them.

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I really like the detail that the Versafine gives but I am really disappointed at how long it takes to dry. I have used it on several different types of cardstock and I have found that it did take a bit to dry. I have ruined a few projects because of it. I even used it on vellum, heat set and still had it smear. ARGH! But it is great for detail.
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TAC sells Stewart's brand of stamp cleaner and it's the best...I haven't had any staining since I started using that! Thanks Barbara! (my customer talked me into getting it!)
Your welcome!! And thanks for the advice on the Noir (Black) Palette Ink - LOVE it! So nice and black - a true black. I've been watercoloring all weekend!

I've been using Palette inks for over a year now - ever since they showed up in TAC's catty last year (right?). I love the Toile Pink and Starry Night. I don't have a problem with it staining "most" of my stamps. And, it actually came off of my clear stamps better than other dye inks - that surprised me! And, to top it all off, I've used my regular Embossing Powder on the Palette inks. Just move quickly and it adheres to it without a problem, heat as usual.
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I'll jump in on the acetate question....I've used Palettes with acetate and heat set. The key is to use the kind of transparencies that are made to go through COPIERS. They are made to take high heat. DO NOT use the kind for your home ink jet printer as they are NOT made to take heat. Also don't over heat in the same place or it will warp some.

But, yes, you can use and heat set Palettes with acetate/transparencies.

I have most of the Palette colors and use them virtually all the time. I stamp on almost any surface you can think of!!! They're awesome!
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.........If it does everything I think it does, I may have at last found the ultimate ink for me! ;)

Uh oh . . . . :shock:
LOL, Julie.....I have boxes and boxes (and BOXES) of "ultimate" ink pads that I've collected over the years! It is truly embarrassing to contemplate, so I don't do that often, lol! The problem is that every other year or so they come out with yet ANOTHER fantasmagorical magic ink, and I always have to try them.

Having said that, though, I have had my eye on these for a while, there's just no place local that carries them.
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I really like the detail that the Versafine gives but I am really disappointed at how long it takes to dry. I have used it on several different types of cardstock and I have found that it did take a bit to dry. I have ruined a few projects because of it. I even used it on vellum, heat set and still had it smear. ARGH! But it is great for detail.
It's definitely a nice rich black, BUT, as you said, it's really not an "instant" dry ink like it claims on the packaging. And, I've smeared a number of projects when using it as well, to my frustration. I'm rather glad I only bought the black and the sepia and no more than that . . .
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LOL, Julie.....I have boxes and boxes (and BOXES) of "ultimate" ink pads that I've collected over the years! It is truly embarrassing to contemplate, so I don't do that often, lol! The problem is that every other year or so they come out with yet ANOTHER fantasmagorical magic ink, and I always have to try them.

Having said that, though, I have had my eye on these for a while, there's just no place local that carries them.
Now, Betsy. You must allow me my delusions. ;) We both know the truth . . .

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