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I should also mention that the people at Copic are astounded at the popularity their markers have taken with scrapbookers and cardmakers over the last year or so. They have been one of the best-selling, high-end art markers for years and years. They are just figuring out what to do with "us" at this point, as we are a whole new market!!
I'll get in touch with the gal that trained us and mention this little tidbit. She did mention that they say they aren't acid free, technically, because of the alcohol. But, since that evaporates, the acidity disappears. Maybe they SHOULD/WOULD/COULD mention that. It would make them A LOT of $$!!!
Was it Marianne? She's so nice! Did she bring her sweet new baby?
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Was it Marianne? She's so nice! Did she bring her sweet new baby?
It WAS and she IS nice!! She left her baby at home, though. :( Where did you meet her? Are you going to CHA? I finally get to go this year! Lotsa work ahead, but it looks like fun!!
I should also mention that the people at Copic are astounded at the popularity their markers have taken with scrapbookers and cardmakers over the last year or so.
The power of Splitcoaststampers!!!
Learned about Copics here on SCS last spring.
Went to Jerry's Artarama around April and asked if they had them.
"Never heard of them" was the curt reply.
A month ago, they had a huge display of Copics.
Too late, I already ordered on-line.
Actually, the answer to this is YES! I was told in a training class by an employee of Copic that, although the markers are alcohol based, the alcohol evaporates, making them acid-free and archival safe once the ink dries. Just don't color or draw directly on a photo you want to keep safe. On paper, it's totally fine, though.
Wow, really! I held off buying copics until recently mainly because I would not be able to use them in my scrapbooks. I would love more information on this if that would in fact make them okay for scrapbooks. I might have to see if I can test them with my acid testing pen. Thanks for the info!
Wow, really! I held off buying copics until recently mainly because I would not be able to use them in my scrapbooks. I would love more information on this if that would in fact make them okay for scrapbooks. I might have to see if I can test them with my acid testing pen. Thanks for the info!
Just draw or color on some paper and wait for the ink to dry before you test it. I'm sure it will come out fine, though.
Also, Denidll- if you have the newer version of the SU markers.. then you have used Tombow. They are the same manufacturer.
Is this true? I love Tombows and have been hesitant to try the SU markers. I always thought the SU markers were re-labeled zig markers? Very interesting!
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It WAS and she IS nice!! She left her baby at home, though. :( Where did you meet her? Are you going to CHA? I finally get to go this year! Lotsa work ahead, but it looks like fun!!
Only through emails, but, she's always so lovely to chit chat with! :grin:
Yes, I'll be at CHA. But, as an exhibitor this year, not as press. I'll be working in the A Muse Booth, if you wanna stop by and say hi! I'm hoping I'll get a chance to step out of the booth and hop over to Copic and meet Ron and Marianne IRL for the first time! They are just the nicest peeps!
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Is this true? I love Tombows and have been hesitant to try the SU markers. I always thought the SU markers were re-labeled zig markers? Very interesting!
I was always under the same impression.
But, either way, SU! markers and Tombows are equals, quality wise, from everyone I've spoken with that has used both. Both are top-notch when it comes to water-based.
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I'm so glad to hear that they will work with an airbrush system! Yeah! I have a system that has a small compressor and a pen holder that I used with Tria markers. I had forgotten about it completely and will have to dig it out now!
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Actually, the answer to this is YES! I was told in a training class by an employee of Copic that, although the markers are alcohol based, the alcohol evaporates, making them acid-free and archival safe once the ink dries. Just don't color or draw directly on a photo you want to keep safe. On paper, it's totally fine, though.
Thanks for clarifying Wendy! This is where I pulled it from the Copic website. It wasn't very descriptive!
I just have to say that it's neat that people are excited to meet me;) , I will be at CHA teaching the day before the show and I'll be in the booth on Sunday ONLY. If you want to meet me, that's your chance
I just have to say that it's neat that people are excited to meet me;) , I will be at CHA teaching the day before the show and I'll be in the booth on Sunday ONLY. If you want to meet me, that's your chance
marianne
I was just going to come back on here and quote you (from the e-mail you sent me), and here you are!! Thanks for clarifying this.
Also, for those of you who are interested, here is a link to Copic's website where you can get the technique DVD (which is also available at Hobby Lobby):
How long should it take for the alcohol to evaporate? I tested some that was a few hours hold and it still showed acid. I made up another one that I will let sit until tomorrow to test it.
Thanks!
I tried it on colors that had dried for a while- my mark turned purple. Some papers might hold the alcohol longer (residue?). Even with the alcohol in the marker, the PH is about a 6.4, with a 7 being neutral.
E-mail me at [email protected]. I'll send you a photo tomorrow of a test I just did- I colored a couple hours ago, did 2 swipes with my pH pen, and they both came out light purple.
I tried it on colors that had dried for a while- my mark turned purple. Some papers might hold the alcohol longer (residue?). Even with the alcohol in the marker, the PH is about a 6.4, with a 7 being neutral.
E-mail me at [email protected]. I'll send you a photo tomorrow of a test I just did- I colored a couple hours ago, did 2 swipes with my pH pen, and they both came out light purple.
Hmm. Interesting. I tested an image that I colored a week or 2 ago with a Marvy acid testing pen and it can out bright yellow (yellow=acid, green=neutral, blue=alkaline). When I tested a fresh mark, it was no where near neutral. It was very yellow. I tested paper that I know they claim is acid free and it comes out green with the same pen. Sending you an email because I'd love to see your results.
Thanks!
Copic markers can be used for blending, they are refillable, the tips can be replaced, they are fast drying and permanent, come in over 300 rich & vibrant colors, they dry acid free and have dual tips (chisel & brush) and you can also get other tips. One of the best things about the Copic markers that makes them so appealing is that they are made to fit into & work with a special airbrush system. HTH!;)
Copic markers can be used for blending, they are refillable, the tips can be replaced, they are fast drying and permanent, come in over 300 rich & vibrant colors, they dry acid free and have dual tips (chisel & brush) and you can also get other tips. One of the best things about the Copic markers that makes them so appealing is that they are made to fit into & work with a special airbrush system. HTH!;)
Hey, Heidi!! Was just going to reply! Couldn't have said it better myself!!
The Ciao are not designed to work with the Airbrush system, due to the smaller barrel size. But, I hear some folks have somehow created a makeshift device that enables it to work . . . but, I haven't explored that, as I already own Copic Sketch and Original, which are both designed to work with it.
Of course, if airbrushing is not important to you, that's a moot point! ;)
Hi, Krystie! I'm waving to you!!!
Waving back! Thanks for the response, I think I'm finally ready to take the plunge and get some. I'm always late to the party! ;)
Sorry to beat a dead horse as the saying goes, but here goes . . .
I haven't heard back from Marianne yet, but I was wondering if anyone else has tested these markers as far as being acid free once the alcohol evaporates. I know we are using different brands of pens to get our results and I wonder if that is where it is coming from. Has Copic done extensive tests to back up the claim that they dry acid free? I posted my test results on my blog if anyone is interested. One image I tested was colored a couple weeks ago and it still shows up as acidic. Right now, I respectfully disagree that they dry acid free.
You need to use the right type of ink and paper to get the best blending results. Regular CS doesn't blend as well as Cryogen White or Stardream CS. IMO best inks to use: Graphite Black Brilliance or Pitch Black Adirondack. If you are using a different brand of ink, heat set it so it does not smear - I know the heat setting works with Marvy inks.
Tip with the blender pen: if you are going back over an area you used the colorless blender on, let that area dry first, otherwise your new color will want to bleed into the area of wet blender.
Have you tried these yet? Color rhinestones, ribbon and paper so they all match.
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Copic pH- I have my testing results here on my desk, however I need to photograph or scan it better. The test marks are very faint since I had to use pale colors for them to show up at all, and I don't want to touch up the photo so my results stay accurate. Just know that my tests, (on Neenah Classic Crest cardstock with a Papersaver pH testing pen) show that when the ink is wet some colors show acid. Once the ink is dry, those (and all) colors show no acid. I'd like to try it on other papers, just to get more complete results.
When I get them visible, I'll post it on my gallery on Splitcoast (I'm still new to splitcoast).
But, to put the matter clearly, WET- Copic markers have acid in them because of the alcohol carrier. DRY- The alcohol evaporates and (depending on paper maybe?) leaves only the dye, which is neutral.
If there is a residue of the alcohol on some papers, it is very slight (between 6.5 - the acidity of milk and 7.0 - neutral or pure water). Therefore, we feel comfortable saying that it dries acid free.
I hope this helps everyone.
Marianne
Last edited by ilikemarkers; 01-18-2008 at 02:34 PM..
Reason: I realized that I didn't tell what the thread was about- Copic pH
The most popular pale skin color is E00, Skin White. Then, shadow this with either E02 or E11.
Rule of thumb:The trick is to pick a base color, usually ending in 0 or 1, like E00. For a subtle shadow, keep the letter and first digit the same, but go about 2 digits higher, like E02. There are lots of "skin" colors, but here are the most common:
Light Skin colors (these tend to end in 0 or 1)
E0000 (almost clear)
E000
E01
E50 (good neutral skin color)
R000 (pinkish)
R00
R01
YR000 (orangish)
YR00
Slightly darker
E02
E11
E21
E51
R02
YR01
Darker skin shadows
E04
E13
E53
Dark African Skin
E25 base, E27 shadows
Eastern Skin
E51 + E53 + E55
Pale Western Skin
E50 + E51
Light, Pinkish Baby skin
E0000 + E00
E000 + E01
E00 + E02 (note how these three combos get a hair darker each time)
R000 + R01
The most popular pale skin color is E00, Skin White. Then, shadow this with either E02 or E11.
Rule of thumb:The trick is to pick a base color, usually ending in 0 or 1, like E00. For a subtle shadow, keep the letter and first digit the same, but go about 2 digits higher, like E02. There are lots of "skin" colors, but here are the most common:
Light Skin colors (these tend to end in 0 or 1)
E0000 (almost clear)
E000
E01
E50 (good neutral skin color)
R000 (pinkish)
R00
R01
YR000 (orangish)
YR00
Slightly darker
E02
E11
E21
E51
R02
YR01
Darker skin shadows
E04
E13
E53
Dark African Skin
E25 base, E27 shadows
Eastern Skin
E51 + E53 + E55
Pale Western Skin
E50 + E51
Light, Pinkish Baby skin
E0000 + E00
E000 + E01
E00 + E02 (note how these three combos get a hair darker each time)
R000 + R01
Cheek Blush
overlay R20 or R30
Holy cow!! All we had to do was ask!! Thanks, Marianne!!
The most popular pale skin color is E00, Skin White. Then, shadow this with either E02 or E11.
Rule of thumb:The trick is to pick a base color, usually ending in 0 or 1, like E00. For a subtle shadow, keep the letter and first digit the same, but go about 2 digits higher, like E02. There are lots of "skin" colors, but here are the most common:
Light Skin colors (these tend to end in 0 or 1)
E0000 (almost clear)
E000
E01
E50 (good neutral skin color)
R000 (pinkish)
R00
R01
YR000 (orangish)
YR00
Slightly darker
E02
E11
E21
E51
R02
YR01
Darker skin shadows
E04
E13
E53
Dark African Skin
E25 base, E27 shadows
Eastern Skin
E51 + E53 + E55
Pale Western Skin
E50 + E51
Light, Pinkish Baby skin
E0000 + E00
E000 + E01
E00 + E02 (note how these three combos get a hair darker each time)
R000 + R01
Cheek Blush
overlay R20 or R30
This is WONDERFUL information! I didn't know this. Thank you so much! I only own 3 Copics right now, but intend on buying a set very, very soon. :-D
I too am getting on this bandwagon! I was driving around yesterday with my hubby and found a local store that sells Copics. I bought 2 just to try them out - a lighter & darker shade of blue. I read up on some techniques posted here, and after playing around for only 5 mins, I really think I am getting the art of coloring & blending with these wonderful pens. I immediately was SOLD and I'm now pillaging eBay to find myself a deal! I LOVE LOVE these things!
I also agree that it would be great to have a Copic FAQ as a sticky - I find that it's one of the more commonly asked about subjects in this forum.
I too am getting on this bandwagon! I was driving around yesterday with my hubby and found a local store that sells Copics. I bought 2 just to try them out - a lighter & darker shade of blue. I read up on some techniques posted here, and after playing around for only 5 mins, I really think I am getting the art of coloring & blending with these wonderful pens. I immediately was SOLD and I'm now pillaging eBay to find myself a deal! I LOVE LOVE these things!
I also agree that it would be great to have a Copic FAQ as a sticky - I find that it's one of the more commonly asked about subjects in this forum.
