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What this woman created is a piece of art, as is every card/stamp. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't art. It's just not your kind of art. While it is ok to not like the card, I think what many of us were upset about were the negative posts left by a couple people. I have seen quite a few cards that I didn't like, but it would never occur to me to leave a negative comment in that person's gallery. JMHO
I agree with the above post. Art is subjectional, not everyone has the same opinion. I'm not a huge fan of Van Gogh. Not my style. Besides, it was a STAMP of a topless fairy, not a Maplethorpe photo!
Whatever happened to Thumper's quote? "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all."
If you have a problem with something or someone, please contact the mods. That is what they are there for.
Please don't be critical or judgemental of anyone's work. Put yourself in their shoes.
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I disagree with you. And disagreeing does not mean one is hateful either.
No it doesn't. I know you're not a hateful person.
You say the images aren't appropriate. My question to you is, appropriate for what? This is the internet. We all have vastly different views on nudity. So there's bound to be disagreement.
Honestly, I can't say I see anything inappropriate about the images.
I haven't read any of the other posts because I just ran across this thread and I have to leave, but I wanted to tell you I think your work is beautiful. I've actually gotten into sculpting and there are a lot of nude fairies in sculpting. It's beautiful and not tasteless. Keep up the good work!
No it doesn't. I know you're not a hateful person.
You say the images aren't appropriate. My question to you is, appropriate for what? This is the internet. We all have vastly different views on nudity. So there's bound to be disagreement.
Honestly, I can't say I see anything inappropriate about the images.
It shouldn't matter that this is the internet. the gallery has been a safe place for all ages to be in. I see that differently now. If that is what is in there, children shouldn't be. And I think that is terrible. I don't care for my husband, son or my daughters for that matter to view them. I don't think this is the place for it. This isn't something one would demo. Is it?
__________________ Debra the Debrameister Nagigator Mingler Gallery My Blog: Yellow and Blue SU Creative Crew Design Team Member-May-August 2011
To those who find these images offensive, would you say this to Michaelangelo? Do you feel the Sistine Chapel should be covered and closed? Art is art. I personally think these fairies are perfectly tasteFUL!! Are you selling these?? I have a sister who would LOVE these......
Just to clear the air, Debra I wasn't referring to you specifically. In that particular post, I was referring to those people, some with suspiciously low post counts, who left negative comments in her gallery. (by the way I didn't read all the comments for her cards so I have no idea if you left one or not).
All I am saying is I think it was mean to leave negative comments in someones gallery. Especially in this instance, where she cleary didn't mean to offend anyone.
It shouldn't matter that this is the internet. the gallery has been a safe place for all ages to be in. I see that differently now. If that is what is in there, children shouldn't be. And I think that is terrible. I don't care for my husband, son or my daughters for that matter to view them. I don't think this is the place for it. This isn't something one would demo. Is it?
Wow! We see this totally differently. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with my kids seeing this. Probably has to do with the way I was raised. My Mom is a huge fan of nude art, paintings, statues, ceramics, etc... Growing up one of my chores was to dust the nude ceramics. I never thought anything of it. My Mom has a replica of the David by her swimming pool. We just came back yesterday from visiting them. It was an awsome vacation. My kids saw all the nudes. Nothing was hidden from them. They asked a few question, but quickly moved on. No problems here.
Seriously, I wouldn't take issue with demoing stamps like this, but I guess you gotta know me IRL to appreciate me. LOL
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I was not going to respond to this, but since it was brought to the front again I will.
I do not think that these are appropriate. To me they are offensive. Now it makes me wonder what else will be approved and uploaded.
I don't think what Debra had to say is hateful at all. She was just expressing her opinion that she finds these offensive. She's allowed to feel this way, and to state it. I don't think she said anything unkind about the artist, just that this type of art to her is offensive.
I think we should all be nice and not start calling names and let this descend into another "mini catalog" fracas. I think it's enough to just state our opinions about the issue and refrain from saying unkind things about the other posters, or saying anyone who doesn't like the nudity are prudes, judgemental, uptight, etc.
I am not a hateful person, not jealous of the posters artistic talent, have been to many museums and have taken art classes. However I too find the images offensive. I do not want to be hurtful to anyone but I do feel very strongly about this and I know I am not the only one. I do not understand why if someone disagrees some people think they must be mean or ignorant or worse. Let's watch the name calling. And yes I have already registered my complaints with the Gallery Mods here. I will not be home most of the day, so those that post in response I just want you to know I'm not ignoring you - just not home to see the computer.;)
We've received several private messages and emails about these uploads, and as I've explained to those who have contacted us, we have discussed the images, and believe there is a difference between nudity and pornography. We certainly will not allow any pornography in the gallery, and have decided that, while different from anything else in our gallery, the images are not pornographic, and they will remain.
Please remember . . . if you don't agree with someone's views, be respectful in posting, or don't post at all.
I guess I want to stand up and let Jami and Debra know they aren't the only ones offended by this "art." I was a little afraid to say something b/c people with very strong opinions feel the other way and are very outspoken and hurtful when someone disagrees with them. Disliking and being offended by naked fairies does NOT mean I haven't been to an art museum or been exposed to culture. I just think that I should not have to come here on Splitcoast and see nudity. And hitting the back button does not erase what I had to see. This is supposed to be a safe place for all, but I don't want children or my friends or my parents to just pop in and see those cards.
I don't have anything against the artist, yes she may be talented, and I know that she was not trying to be offensive to people, but the fact remains that people ARE offended, deeply offended by these images.
Just a curious thought about those who were offended and commented.....didja not see it was a nekked fairie in the thumbnail?? Coulda not clicked on it.....
Kinda like being offended by TV shows...change the channel
That is part of the point. You CAN see that it is naked in the thumbnail. I had a long debate whether to post to the image or not because then it just makes it larger. I chose originally to post a comment on the card and not here because the thread appeared to have died. When the thread came forward again, I posted here.
__________________ Debra the Debrameister Nagigator Mingler Gallery My Blog: Yellow and Blue SU Creative Crew Design Team Member-May-August 2011
It shouldn't matter that this is the internet. the gallery has been a safe place for all ages to be in. I see that differently now. If that is what is in there, children shouldn't be. And I think that is terrible. I don't care for my husband, son or my daughters for that matter to view them. I don't think this is the place for it. This isn't something one would demo. Is it?
Debra, if you don't like it, move on...simple as that. No need to leave negative comments on the gallery.
So now we are only supposed to upload cards that are demo-worthy? I thought this was discussed before in the last negative thread...this site is for demos and customers alike, so therefore, many people don't consider in making their creations what are demo-worthy and what are not.
We've received several private messages and emails about these uploads, and as I've explained to those who have contacted us, we have discussed the images, and believe there is a difference between nudity and pornography. We certainly will not allow any pornography in the gallery, and have decided that, while different from anything else in our gallery, the images are not pornographic, and they will remain.
Please remember . . . if you don't agree with someone's views, be respectful in posting, or don't post at all.
As stated, this is the position of SCS.
__________________ Julie Ebersole (JulieHRR once upon a time . . . )julieebersole.com"So shines a good deed in a weary world." -Willy Wonka
Well I think the prudes need to lighten up! :p It is art people...you cannot decide what art is for others or censor it for others by telling them where it does and doesnt belong!! I find it very offensive that anyone should feel the need to post something negative about another's artwork. How would you feel if your artwork was blasted in your very own gallery??
(and yes I said prudes...not to be offensive but because that is the best word I can think of to describe someone who is offended by a hand drawn nude fairy!)
That is part of the point. You CAN see that it is naked in the thumbnail. I had a long debate whether to post to the image or not because then it just makes it larger. I chose originally to post a comment on the card and not here because the thread appeared to have died. When the thread came forward again, I posted here.
I am relieved that the thread perked up again enough for you to post here instead of the gallery. Like I've said already, I firmly believe the gallery is not the appropriate place for critical comments. The only thing a negative or value-laden comment in the gallery will do is hurt the feelings of the creating artist, as happened with brigitte and the original negative comments. If you hope to achieve more than just hurting the feelings of someone and possibly running them off of SCS single-handedly, contact a mod or post to/start a thread on it in the forums. Anything else just comes across as petty to me. JMHO!
OK, I can see both sides. Personally, I love the cards. I think they are fantastic, and I don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to share them on here. And from what I've read of this thread as it exists right now, the people who were offended and have posted here were not too mean or anything, and just expressing their opinions, and I appreciate that, and I don't think we should jump all over them b/c they feel differently.
Has anyone tried to think of a compromise? I mean, I love to see the sassy cards (like the F U one that someone mentionned wanting to make). But I can understand that some people are not comfortable with that for their children, and originally saw this site as one they wouldn't have to supervise their children looking at, but now feel they may have to so they are there to answer their children's questions if they do come across such an image. So is there a way to flag cards as Parental Guidance needed? That way they are still uploaded, but parents can see the thumbnail may have content that will offend and can somehow skip over that? Nothing overly complicated, but since every image is approved by a moderator anyways, maybe have a checkbox they can select to give some sort of flag to the user that it *may* offend? That way each SCS user can choose to view it or not, and will have some warning before they see it?
Just trying to come up with a solution that will satisfy both sides of this story...don't want to make more work for the SCS modders, but if it were just a checkbox or something, it wouldn't be much more process. That way those of us that want to post sassy cards don't have to worry about offending anyone either, b/c we know that if someone comes across it then they chose to ignore the flag....
Another alternative would be a specific gallery, though I don't like that idea as much...just trying to come up with thoughts to help out all SCSers.
BTW, I wholeheartedly agree that negative opinions should not be shared on the card's gallery comments. It's fine here in the forums where we are discussing the issue, but the comments area of a card should be a friendly place...
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Well I think the prudes need to lighten up! :p It is art people...you cannot decide what art is for others or censor it for others by telling them where it does and doesnt belong!! I find it very offensive that anyone should feel the need to post something negative about another's artwork. How would you feel if your artwork was blasted in your very own gallery??
(and yes I said prudes...not to be offensive but because that is the best word I can think of to describe someone who is offended by a hand drawn nude fairy!)
I would like to start by saying that I did not post anything negative to the gallery and I probably would have let it drop, except for this thread of people who LIKED the card that would NOT let it drop and kept talking about it. And if I am called a prude because I give my opinion about something I consider pornography then so be it. I will not stoop to name calling.
I would like to start by saying that I did not post anything negative to the gallery and I probably would have let it drop, except for this thread of people who LIKED the card that would NOT let it drop and kept talking about it. And if I am called a prude because I give my opinion about something I consider pornography then so be it. I will not stoop to name calling.
So now we can't discuss things we LIKE?? C'mon, you can't be serious! :rolleyes:
We kept talking about the card because we liked it. If talking about the card makes you upset, maybe you should make a choice that is less frustrating for you...?
You weren't talking about liking it just because you guys liked it you were talking about it because other people didn't like it and were talking about them.
OK, I am confused. JJStamper, did you post a negative comment on brigitte's cards in her gallery? (As in, not in this thread but in the gallery?) I know Debra said she was going to do that but didn't; I don't remember if you said anything about that or not.
I find the images in the 2 cards to be offensive to me. This is not against you or your gallery. I just have exception to these 2 cards. to me they are pornographic.
What is posted above is what I posted in the gallery. When I direct people to this site, I think they should not have to see these images. I do not want to see these images. I did not send a pm to the poster of the images because I wanted to let people know that this isn't something I agree with. I was not slamming the person in any way. I was talking of the images.
Thank you to those that understand my position but do not agree.
__________________ Debra the Debrameister Nagigator Mingler Gallery My Blog: Yellow and Blue SU Creative Crew Design Team Member-May-August 2011
OK, I am confused. JJStamper, did you post a negative comment on brigitte's cards in her gallery? (As in, not in this thread but in the gallery?) I know Debra said she was going to do that but didn't; I don't remember if you said anything about that or not.
No I didn't. For me the gallery is a place to post positive comments or nothing at all.
I believe Heartart was referring to my comment on this thread because I said I posted because people who liked the card wouldn't let it drop.
No I didn't. For me the gallery is a place to post positive comments or nothing at all.
I believe Heartart was referring to my comment on this thread because I said I posted because people who liked the card wouldn't let it drop.
I believe that would be heartart AND Sassyat30. We both were referring to your comment in our posts.;)
I'm new here, but it really surprised me to see a SCS Mod post a negative comment in someone's gallery, when it sounds like that just isn't done here??!! WOW
Kati
I'm afraid I just don't understand how any image in the gallery is about you, or anyone else viewing cards for that matter. The gallery is about people sharing their creations and encouraging each other. If we want to be able to voice our political views on cards in the gallery comments, should we expect and encourage the atheists to post polite comments about how they disagree with the content of the religious cards, and how they find the relgious overtones to be offensive?
ETA: I forgot to quote the post I was referring to! This is wrt Debra's last post.
Wow...I was hoping someone would see my post and start thinking about solutions....I hate heated talking.
I think both sides should be allowed to discuss this issue on this thread (or other threads in the forum) to their hearts content. I mean, it has to do with how everyone sees this site, how they use it, and maybe discussing it will help come up with a solution that will leave both sides happy (ish).
It's really about respect. Respect for the lady that posted the cards (by *not* posting negative comments in her gallery, but discussing things here instead since it has nothing to do with her). And respect for the people who do feel offended, b/c while not everyone agrees with that opinion, you should still respect them enough to listen to them and possibly come up with solutions. I'm not thinking anything grand...no parental controls or anything huge...just a friendly warning that lets the person know that there may be nudity or swearing in it, so click with caution. It doesn't offend the person posting the card, but at the same time it gives those that might be offended options. Make sense?
SCS is a large community with very diverse members, and that's fantastic!! But please respect everyone....we all deserve that.
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No I didn't. For me the gallery is a place to post positive comments or nothing at all.
I believe Heartart was referring to my comment on this thread because I said I posted because people who liked the card wouldn't let it drop.
JJ did the right thing in my opinion. She posted her opinion HERE not in the gallery.
I don't care how much something offends you, placing negative comments in the gallery just isn't cool. And the negative comments are fueling the fire.
We can like it or dislike it. That is our option, our opinion. But we are getting away from the fact that Briggita did not intend to offend anyone, was concerned that she did, and apologized for it. So, if you are offended, accept her apology. And lets all move on.....
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I'm still astounded that just because someone says "I find this offensive." Someone else has to think of something bad to say about that person. It's just sad.
No I didn't. For me the gallery is a place to post positive comments or nothing at all.
I believe Heartart was referring to my comment on this thread because I said I posted because people who liked the card wouldn't let it drop.
Thank you for clarifying! Now I think I understand the post of yours which caused the tempest in a teapot just now. I know I for one disagree with censorship generally and don't understand it in this case, as I find the fairy images empowering and not sexist, misogynist, or pornographic myself. Be that as it may, I think the reason so many folks in this thread were so upset about the comments to brigitte's gallery is because a select few SCS members were making value calls in the comments section rather than actually doing anything meaningful about their concerns. I'm glad you stand up for what you believe in, and also thank you for doing so in a way I personally find respectful and appropriate (meaning by bringing it up in the forums rather than in comments to galleries).
I hope I got across in general that my main issue was with how some SCS members voiced their opinions on the nekkid fairy images. And, I'm glad the SCS Moderators have made it very clear in this thread what the SCS Official Stance is.
I would like to apologize about my earlier post in this thread. I was in a hurry when I wrote it and I should have thought things through and explained myself better. While these cards are not in my personal taste, I do appreciate the obvious artistic talent of the artist who posted them. However, I guess I just have a problem with negative comments in the gallery because I know how I would feel if someone criticized one of my cards (thus the reason there are very few cards in my gallery) but then I know that I can be a little thin-skinned at times. I guess I just live by the old saying "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" Or in this case, say something to a moderator rather than putting it out there for everyone to see. I was thinking more about the artist's feelings in this case. I'm sorry if my post in this thread offended anyone who doesn't like the cards, I honestly wasn't trying to slam anyone, I just wanted the person who submitted the card to not be hurt.
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Oh that is just SAD!! The only way that could have happened is that poor Brigitta felt compelled to remove them due to all the complaining! Im so sorry you felt the need to do that Brigitta...I truely loved your fairies and I wish I had saved them to my computer before they were lost to us all!
