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Aha, Diane, that would explain it! It frustrates me as well if I can't get to the original post! A lot of folks just pin to the blog name and not to the url of the actual post which then means you have to take time to track down what you want. I mean, it's already a case of "so many pins, so little time" for me on Pinterest LOL! At least Joanne's tip will help me in the future.
I think Pinterest should be offering some guidelines and etiquette info.
Yep, I agree...
I'm amazed at how fast this has taken off. Technically they are still in beta, if my understanding is right!
the pinterest thing does not bother me, people are not making money off linking to my things ( I've pinned things with the thought I hope they are flattered also) but, the whole use your card photo for her to sell something is not the same deal.
hopefully you hear something soon, 74 cards is totally deliberate in my mind.
It never would occur to me to pin a photo and not the source - otherwise what's the point :confused: Maybe some people just aren't paying attention or don't realize how Pinterest works.
Patty, I'm curious about the ebay seller. She's selling stamp sets, right? With photos of cards as examples using the sets she's selling? Is it Stampin' Up sets?
I think it is amazing that you happened to see her items! Can you imagine how many must be out there that no one ever is aware of? :(
Hope she at least pulls the photos and looking forward to seeing an update!
It never would occur to me to pin a photo and not the source - otherwise what's the point :confused: Maybe some people just aren't paying attention or don't realize how Pinterest works.
Patty, I'm curious about the ebay seller. She's selling stamp sets, right? With photos of cards as examples using the sets she's selling? Is it Stampin' Up sets?
I think it is amazing that you happened to see her items! Can you imagine how many must be out there that no one ever is aware of? :(
Hope she at least pulls the photos and looking forward to seeing an update!
Yeah, she's selling SU stamp sets and using photos of our cards as examples for the sets that she is selling.
For example, if you search for Stampin Up Rubber Ducky you will find the auction with a picture of my card from the gallery here. (I've watermarked my photo now).
Okay, I tried to report this ebay seller, but since the images aren't MINE, there's a message that says the owner of the photos have to be the one to contact them. So... I guess every individual card maker whose photos were taken have to contact Ebay.
Oh my gosh, this is worse than I thought! The person listing CHOOSES which photo will be the thumbnail for their listing, right?!
Don't get me wrong - - yes, it's just as bad to use someone else's cards/photos as samples 'within' the listing (that you'd have to click on the item first). Absolutely. I don't mean to minimize that. But I have NEVER seen an ebay listing for a stamp set where they used a card in the initial thumbnail view before.
That's pretty darn cheeky, I'd say (I'd use stronger language but it'd come out as *** on SCS ;) ) - and you are helping her sell her stamp sets!! I'd be FURIOUS!
By the way, love your ducky card!!!
Makes me wonder how many people do use other people's cards 'hidden' as samples after you click, too. Grrrrrrrrr.rrr.rr.rrrrr.
Okay, I tried to report this ebay seller, but since the images aren't MINE, there's a message that says the owner of the photos have to be the one to contact them. So... I guess every individual card maker whose photos were taken have to contact Ebay.
Thanks for letting us know that Sophie - I was thinking of doing the same thing.
I don't own any SU so I doubt this particular breach affects me however, I wonder if SCS could be pro-active and watermark uploads with "as seen on Splitcoast Stampers Gallery" - I know it wouldn't bother me. I don't "reuse" my uploads from here. I have the original IYKWIM.
Is it ok to name the ebayer and alert others that their pictures are being used and they need to lodge the complaint with ebay?
Okay, I contacted the seller with the posting specifically using LaLatty's Ducky card (cute card!). This is what I wrote to her:
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Hi, some of your listings (like this one) are getting negative press from a card-making community because you have used this photo and possibly others without permission from the card-maker. It is here in this thread:
It would be easy enough to private-message the card-makers for permission. Possibly many of them, after being asked, would not only grant you permission, but be flattered as well.
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Edited to add: I tried not to come across as too accusatory. Maybe she does not know that permission should be granted first. Also, it gives her a chance to remedy the situation.
I don't own any SU so I doubt this particular breach affects me however, I wonder if SCS could be pro-active and watermark uploads with "as seen on Splitcoast Stampers Gallery" - I know it wouldn't bother me. I don't "reuse" my uploads from here. I have the original IYKWIM.
Is it ok to name the ebayer and alert others that their pictures are being used and they need to lodge the complaint with ebay?
It's definitely okay to alert others that their photos are used, but that would take a LOT of time!! I thought of doing that too... but... my laziness kicked in. If only ONE card-maker was involved, I would've, but...there's more than one!
I'm unsure of whether it's okay or not to name the ebayer.
Okay, I PM'd LilLuvsStampin and told her, and included links to her card's photo and to the Ebay listing.
See, it didn't take long to notify ONE person (only because I didn't have to search for the photo - LaLatty did that - thanks). I can imagine how long it would take to notify all other card-makers!! Especially if we had to go through the specific Stampin' Up! gallery for that set and scroll through all the cards in each gallery.
I didn't mean individually notify more - link the ebay listing and start a thread asking if these cards made with SU sets are yours? I think we all have to take some responsibility to help ourselves but it would be good to have a stickied thread to help and a general point in the right direction. I for one have never used ebay so wouldn't even know where to start.
While I was checking this out in ebay, I noticed a lot of sets that are NOT retired are being sold. I thought only retired sets could be sold, or is that just demos that are limited to selling only retired??
While I was checking this out in ebay, I noticed a lot of sets that are NOT retired are being sold. I thought only retired sets could be sold, or is that just demos that are limited to selling only retired??
Demos are the only ones limited to selling retired. Non-demos can sell whatever they wish.
Demos are the only ones limited to selling retired. Non-demos can sell whatever they wish.
Okay, thanks. I always wondered because I check out the For Sale or Trade on SCS and someone posts some things for sale and then someone else said those were trade only because they were still current...very confusing. They must've been demo's maybe??
I thought about going through the cards on ebay and letting everyone know, but some of the splitcoast members haven't uploaded anything in their gallery in a few years plus it would take a lot of time.
Okay, thanks. I always wondered because I check out the For Sale or Trade on SCS and someone posts some things for sale and then someone else said those were trade only because they were still current...very confusing. They must've been demo's maybe??
I believe is is an SCS policy that only retired items cannot be sold here on the site. They don't want to compete with members who are SU demos. This is different that the SU policy the applies to SU demos... it IS all confusing!
Okay, thanks. I always wondered because I check out the For Sale or Trade on SCS and someone posts some things for sale and then someone else said those were trade only because they were still current...very confusing. They must've been demo's maybe??
I know it can be confusing. I'll see if I can help. No one is allowed to sell any current Stampin' Up! items here on splitcoast. Current items can only be traded here on splitcoast. Demos are not allowed to sell any current merchandise on, ebay, other online sites, etc. If someone wants to purchase a current item from a demo then that demo must place an order for them or they can order online through the demo's SU website (if she has one).
I thought about going through the cards on ebay and letting everyone know, but some of the splitcoast members haven't uploaded anything in their gallery in a few years plus it would take a lot of time.
You're a star for noticing and superstar for even thinking about notifying everyone, but yes the job is too time consuming and truthfully I would rather see you use your time here or creating something beautiful that I can admire (I can be selfish like that!)
I know it can be confusing. I'll see if I can help. No one is allowed to sell any current Stampin' Up! items here on splitcoast. Current items can only be traded here on splitcoast. Demos are not allowed to sell any current merchandise on, ebay, other online sites, etc. If someone wants to purchase a current item from a demo then that demo must place an order for them or they can order online through the demo's SU website (if she has one).
Hope that helps.
That really does help, and makes sense. So I could sell any of my stuff to friends or on ebay if I wanted, but couldn't sell any of my current stuff on SCS? Not that I would. I love all of my SU stuff! Just trying to keep it all straight!
That really does help, and makes sense. So I could sell any of my stuff to friends or on ebay if I wanted, but couldn't sell any of my current stuff on SCS? Not that I would. I love all of my SU stuff! Just trying to keep it all straight!
Yep, since you are not a demo you can sell your current items anywhere, but not here on splitcoast. Joan, (a few posts above) had mentioned this and she was correct-
(I copied & pasted this from the SCS Site Posting Rules)-
By eliminating the sale of current sets entirely, we remove questions and uncertainty about the demo status of sellers.
You're a star for noticing and superstar for even thinking about notifying everyone, but yes the job is too time consuming and truthfully I would rather see you use your time here or creating something beautiful that I can admire (I can be selfish like that!)
Awe...thanks! I'm surprised that no one else noticed the cards on ebay. I hardly ever go on ebay anymore, but I was looking for a certain stamp set and I stumbled upon them.
I did find the stamp set I was looking for though....LOL
Yep, since you are not a demo you can sell your current items anywhere, but not here on splitcoast. Joan, (a few posts above) had mentioned this and she was correct-
(I copied & pasted this from the SCS Site Posting Rules)-
By eliminating the sale of current sets entirely, we remove questions and uncertainty about the demo status of sellers.
Now I'm confused again. Joan said you cannot sell retired items here.....maybe she meant to say "only retired items can be" ?
Now I'm confused again. Joan said you cannot sell retired items here.....
Sorry - I had myself confused! I meant to type only retired items CAN be sold here... sorry to add to the confusion instead of helping!(my typing sometimes gets ahead of my brain;))
Sorry - I had myself confused! I meant to type only retired items CAN be sold here... sorry to add to the confusion instead of helping!(my typing sometimes gets ahead of my brain;))
Oh, Joan, I've been there many times before!! I sort of thought that's what happened....
While I was checking this out in ebay, I noticed a lot of sets that are NOT retired are being sold. I thought only retired sets could be sold, or is that just demos that are limited to selling only retired??
Just demos are restricted from selling non-retired stamp sets. And SCS does not allow selling non-retired stamp sets here in the BST forum.
A non-demo can sell anything they want anywhere else.
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Thank you, Patty, for posting this, and thank you, Sophie, for alerting me to this person using one of my card photos without my permission. I do not use e-bay, so I would never have seen this on my own. A friend advised me early on to watermark all my cards, and am so glad that I always have and do!
Just wanted to let you know that people (I have done this) can upload their own photos to Pinterest from their hard drive...so there is no link back to a website.
Thank you, Patty, for posting this, and thank you, Sophie, for alerting me to this person using one of my card photos without my permission. I do not use e-bay, so I would never have seen this on my own. A friend advised me early on to watermark all my cards, and am so glad that I always have and do!
OMG you mean she used your card photo even with a watermark on it?
jumping in here: since LaLatty gave a link I checked out the Ebay auctions. The seller is apparently a long time Ebay user; she has a positive rating of over 4000. I am surprised she is not aware of the rule that all photos need to be taken by the seller or used WITH PERMISSION.
I think LaLatty and Sophie have done a very kind thing in contacting the seller personally and asking for this to be resolved. However; if there is no response SOON, and this seller does not change her listings, then a report to Ebay by one of the affected card makers really should be made. There are way too many listings with other people's cards for it to be an "accident".
You know what I have been wondering? What is this ebay sellers screen name HERE on SCS???? She must belong in order to have the knowledge of the gallery and may have even seen this thread. This really chaps my bum. I don't water mark ( don't have that much in my gallery or my blog) and after reading this I don't think it makes much of a difference. Some of these things are water marked and STILL used with out permission.
Ebay seller..if you are on SCS ( and I personally think you are)..then you are a stamper. You are selling stamps so you are a crafter..a stamper and a crafter and in some for an ARTIST. You should feel ashamed of yourself for not having the decency to ASK to use some one creations to sell your products. Why not use your own? Obviously you have the stamps. Would you use a picture of someone elses child to sell a shirt your child had outgrown? I should hope not. I feel bad for you because I am pretty sure you have been read into "stamping Etiquette 101" and you chose to ignore it..how sad. I am glad that we ( SCS's) don't know "who" you are on here because I would like to think that you aren't "friends" with any of us regular posters that have become friends with each other....you don't deserve to be in our group.
Now that I have seen the actual listing (thank you for putting that link in!!) I may need to retract what I said before To have the card as the first picture you see is extremely misleading. If it were me looking, I probably would not even click on it because if I saw that in a string of listings, I would think it was a card for sale or a card kit! If it said something like "Here is an example pulled from SCS website of what can be made with this stamp set" that would be much better and certainly more accurate than the listing as it is now.
On another note, I am curious to see if you get a response from the seller. I have emailed sellers before with info about what they are selling and never hear a word back from them. Even went so far as to let someone know that if they listed their items as TIM Holtz instead of JIM Holtz, they might get more activity This seller still lists their items as Jim Holtz so I guess they did not believe me
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Yeah, your right. I thought I would give the seller a chance to remove the photo first. I still haven't heard back yet and our photos are still posted.
Hi there,
I just saw this thread and thought I'd join in. I don't have time to read all the posts. However, I'll say that this happened to me, too. I was scanning through Stampin Up! sets on Ebay and spotted a picture of my own card that I had posted on SCS. It was so shocking!
It might be the same seller you are talking about here. She had photos of cards for every stamp set she had listed.
I contacted the seller and she did removed the picture. Her comment back to me was interesting.
Did the seller remove your card photo yet?
I'm sorry that this happened to you. I know what it feels like! Hope you get this resolved soon.
I just saw this thread and thought I'd join in. I don't have time to read all the posts. However, I'll say that this happened to me, too. I was scanning through Stampin Up! sets on Ebay and spotted a picture of my own card that I had posted on SCS. It was so shocking!
It might be the same seller you are talking about here. She had photos of cards for every stamp set she had listed.
I contacted the seller and she did removed the picture. Her comment back to me was interesting.
Did the seller remove your card photo yet?
I'm sorry that this happened to you. I know what it feels like! Hope you get this resolved soon.
~ Diane
Nope, she didn't remove the photo (or any other photos for that matter) nor did she reply to the message that I sent her.
jumping in here: since LaLatty gave a link I checked out the Ebay auctions. The seller is apparently a long time Ebay user; she has a positive rating of over 4000. I am surprised she is not aware of the rule that all photos need to be taken by the seller or used WITH PERMISSION.
I think LaLatty and Sophie have done a very kind thing in contacting the seller personally and asking for this to be resolved. However; if there is no response SOON, and this seller does not change her listings, then a report to Ebay by one of the affected card makers really should be made. There are way too many listings with other people's cards for it to be an "accident".
I tried to report the auction using my photo and when I got to the last page it was asking me for the auction # that she copied my photo from. Since my photo was not copied from an ebay auction I'm not sure there is anything I can do.
And if I send ebay an email customer support states that I will hear back from someone within 3 days, by that time her auctions will be ending.
why are you guys waiting to report this seller? If she has items she is currently selling on eBay, she is getting and is checking emails regularly. She is likely ignoring you. Report the abuse and let eBay deal with it.
why are you guys waiting to report this seller? If she has items she is currently selling on eBay, she is getting and is checking emails regularly. She is likely ignoring you. Report the abuse and let eBay deal with it.
LaLatty did try to report her. Read her last post - the report asked her for the auction # that the photo was copied from. The photo was not copied from an ebay auction, it was copied from here.
Maybe LaLatty should fill out a customer support thingy even if it takes three days...they could prevent her from using ebay again:confused:
