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LOL, I'd just like to know how people figure out who "she" is? I don't think I really care specifically about this one in particular, but what method to you guys use to figure out just who the op is referring to? There wasn't a link or anything... I see this happen frequently and I always feel like an internet dummy, lol!
LOL, I'd just like to know how people figure out who "she" is? I don't think I really care specifically about this one in particular, but what method to you guys use to figure out just who the op is referring to? There wasn't a link or anything... I see this happen frequently and I always feel like an internet dummy, lol!
I can never figure it out either!
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I know, I was looking and looking at "hand made cards" and LaLatty's gallery, and furiously trying to look for a look-a-like. I gave up and started searching for stamp sets to buy instead. Yikes!
LOL, I'd just like to know how people figure out who "she" is? I don't think I really care specifically about this one in particular, but what method to you guys use to figure out just who the op is referring to? There wasn't a link or anything... I see this happen frequently and I always feel like an internet dummy, lol!
THAT is the question i'm still puzzled by... everything else has been covered here, but THAT!!! LOL! How do you figure it out?
Just out of of curiousity.. would it be in bad taste to inquire as to the name of the ebay seller???? If it is ok, would the op pls pm me with said name so I can save it in my 'do not buy from list" thanks in advance
I guess I should have done something about this myself, but I didn't know how to handle it and I really didn't have time yesterday, so I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to help straighten this out.
Cat-woman: your comment is specious and you know it. A particular combination of layout with a certain stamp and certain papers is easily identified. You are choosing to be argumentative and un-supportive of those who have been stolen from. Yes, stealing intellectual property is indeed stealing.
So, you may continue to refuse to support those affected, but I will not read or answer anymore of your negative posts.
I really don't care whether you acknowledge my response or not. What I was trying to point out is that if you're going to accuse someone of something, you had better have all your ducks in a row otherwise it could very well backfire on you. For your information I wasn't being argumentative or un-supportive, just trying to get the point across. If you read my ORIGINAL post you would see that I don't agree with what the ebay seller was doing.
Just a reminder that everyone has varied opinions. It's a good idea to accept that we do not always see things in the same light, and keep our discussions productive. Thanks!
Just a reminder that everyone has varied opinions. It's a good idea to accept that we do not always see things in the same light, and keep our discussions productive. Thanks!
Well said. I am not an expert on intellectual property, but I do believe that cat woman had a legitmate comment and was not trying to be negative or unsupportive. What the ebay seller did was lazy and unethical, but was it an actual violation of copyright? That is something for courts to determine. I'm not aware of any court cases that have determined that card makers can have a legal, enforceable intellectual property right in the cards that they make. A court could come to the same conclusion as cat woman, tchk, or something in between. Unless someone can cite some case law on this, I'd be very hesitant to try to apply the same rights that writers, composers, and others have to card crafters. Intellectual property law is much more complex than we might think.
And by the way, I don't CASE other people's cards.
It's after 2 a.m., and I can't seem to find the edit button, so I will add this to the above. The use of photos without getting permission, is almost certainly a violation of copyright. The selling of CASEd cards may or may not be a violation of copyright. Unless someone can cite case law on this, I'm hesitant to say with certainty that there is enforceable copyright for cards you create and then find out were CASEd and sold by someone else.
Thanks for the link. I'm fairly familiar with the basics of copyright, as I do some freelance writing and also have a law degree. (I passed the bar long ago, but don't practice). Maybe I know just enough to get into trouble, LOL!
I don't have a problem with copyright on the photos of anyone's handmade cards. I don't CASE cards, at least not intentionally. The problem, for me anyway, is that what may seem cut and dry in the law often is not. I'm not saying that copyright doesn't apply, but I see some differences between what most of us do when we make cards and someone creating a painting, a musical composition, or a novel.
When most of us make cards we use rubber stamps that are not of our own design and are widely available to anyone who wants them, background papers that are not of our own design and are also widely available, embellishments that are made to coordinate with the background papers and again, also widely available, composition templates that are shared all over the internet, stamp catalogs, in magazines, etc. Given that most of us aren't creating our own designs from scratch, how and when does copyright come into play for our cards? Even if copyright does apply, how could you prove that someone infringed upon your copyright rather than independently purchasing the same materials and coming up with the same or a very similar idea? This is what I think Cat Woman was getting at, and it is a valid point.
In the case of the ebay seller discussed in this thread, it may be fairly easy to prove that the person was infringing as s/he actually used other people's photos to illustrate "her" cards. I can also see that it would be fairly easy to prove a copyright violation if you made your own designs and used a Print Gocco, letterpress, or other printing method to reproduce your designs and then someone appropriated those designs without your permission for their cards.
Anyway, I'm not trying to pick a fight, and it is an interesting discussion.
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It's after 2 a.m., and I can't seem to find the edit button...
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Unfortunately, unless you pay for a copyright, you are not really protected in that respect. If you posted those photos on photobucket or even on SCS, etc., anybody can copy them.
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