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I am curious as to why this would need to be pointed out, as opposed to singling out anything else in the IDA. Anyone who signs up to be a demo should be reading every single word carefully before they sign the dotted line. If I were signing up a recruit, I wouldn't be pointing it out either, not to be deceptive, but because I don't think it's a big deal. I would however, make sure they read the whole agreement carefully. That's just good business.
I still think customers needs to know before they sign up. Many buy from other companies BEFORE becoming an SU demo. I myself had a ton of stuff that is not SU when I signed up. Granted I did start stamping by a SU demo but I bought stuff to from the LSS;s as I did not have wait for it. Many customers do this. If they are expected to be only SUO then they need to know before they sign the IDA. And yes a demo should go over the entire IDA with a recruit.
I still think customers needs to know before they sign up. Many buy from other companies BEFORE becoming an SU demo. I myself had a ton of stuff that is not SU when I signed up. Granted I did start stamping by a SU demo but I bought stuff to from the LSS;s as I did not have wait for it. Many customers do this. If they are expected to be only SUO then they need to know before they sign the IDA. And yes a demo should go over the entire IDA with a recruit.
I agree that an upline should go over the IDA with a recruit. I feel that's part of the mentoring relationship, and it's in both their interests that the IDA be understood from the start. Not going over it just seems sneaky to me.
I agree that an upline should go over the IDA with a recruit. I feel that's part of the mentoring relationship, and it's in both their interests that the IDA be understood from the start. Not going over it just seems sneaky to me.
I don't think anyone is saying not to go over the IDA. I think the point being made, at least by me, is why is it necessary to specifically mention the recent updates, any more than the rest of the terms of the IDA? Absolutely I think the whole thing needs to be studied and read before signing.
__________________ Alicia
Those cuties in my avatar are my 3 youngest kids: Taylor, Allison and Nick
I agree that the demo should go over the whole IDA....that is the honest thing to do. I also think that for me to sell a $132.95 sizzix to a friend or family member, when I know that with a coupon from Micheals, they can get
it for $70. and no shipping and handling, is very dishonest.
I called SU today and asked if there were any changes to the e-mail issue, and they said that there wasn't going to be any changes in the IDA.
I think that I would be very dishonest if I sold an over priced item to a friend or family member, and I think that I would also be dishonest if I signed the agreement and didn't intend to up hold it, therefore, I will not sign the IDA
and this will be my last order to SU. I do love their stuff, and my sales have gone up every year since I started, even though I am honest with my customers ( or maybe because I am) and I think that SU will be the big loser when all of the dust has settled.
Good luck to those of you who are staying, and "ALL THE BEST" to those of you who have put your honor first.
Happy stamping....Sharon;)
Well! I can't believe the response I got to the original post. I made the decision not to do it. I am on a bunch of DT and I have my own company so this would be a conflict of interest.
I talked to a demo this weekend and she said she will not tell her customers about this. I asked if she has one interested in signing up = she stated she still will not tell her as she would not want to lose that recruit. I myself would be furious with a demo is she did this to me. So yes I think the public needs to be informed.[/QUOTE]
If the demo then quits, she is doing a great injustice to her recruit. If she stays, she should also be honest and help the new recruit to see the pros and cons to the agreement.
I think there is a lot of tempest in a teapot with worry over the IDA. It just seems to be a clarification update on the old agreement.
Lately there are posts that customers and the public should not know anything about this. I am one that thinks they should be aware of it because there are customers that will think of becoming a demo and they need to be informed. I myself do not have a blog but i have seen other demos that have posted this as they feel the same way.
I talked to a demo this weekend and she said she will not tell her customers about this. I asked if she has one interested in signing up = she stated she still will not tell her as she would not want to lose that recruit. I myself would be furious with a demo is she did this to me. So yes I think the public needs to be informed.
I think there's a difference between thoroughly reviewing the new IDA with a potential recruit (which I absolutely agree should happen, as it's a binding contract once signed), and exposing everyone with an internet connection to all the sturm und drang of the past two weeks of discussions. When my family and I have a major disagreement, we try to do it privately, not in full view of any guests in our home, or in the middle of a shopping mall. I wish the same could have been true of the very heated conversations concerning the IDA changes. :(
__________________ Rachel Proud SU! demo and Sci-Fi Geek!
My Stampin' Up! blog "I'm a time traveler -- I point and laugh at archaeologists." 10th Doctor, "Silence in the Library"
I agree that the demo should go over the whole IDA....that is the honest thing to do. I also think that for me to sell a $132.95 sizzix to a friend or family member, when I know that with a coupon from Micheals, they can get
it for $70. and no shipping and handling, is very dishonest.
I called SU today and asked if there were any changes to the e-mail issue, and they said that there wasn't going to be any changes in the IDA.
I think that I would be very dishonest if I sold an over priced item to a friend or family member, and I think that I would also be dishonest if I signed the agreement and didn't intend to up hold it, therefore, I will not sign the IDA
and this will be my last order to SU. I do love their stuff, and my sales have gone up every year since I started, even though I am honest with my customers ( or maybe because I am) and I think that SU will be the big loser when all of the dust has settled.
Good luck to those of you who are staying, and "ALL THE BEST" to those of you who have put your honor first.
Happy stamping....Sharon;)
Umm....I don't feel that I am dishonest when I sell a Big Shot to a customer, whether they are a friend or family member or not, no matter whether they can get it cheaper elsewhere or not. People who buy such an item from me are already aware that they can get it cheaper elsewhere, for the most part. I don't know a crafter on the planet who doesn't know about big box craft stores and their coupons, as well as what is available in those places. And those that are online have Google available if they want to find the best price on anything.
People who buy the Big Shot from me, buy it because they know I will give them good customer service and/or they want to support my business if they are a friend or family member. There is nothing in the IDA that prevents me from answering honestly if asked if the Big Shot is available elsewhere for less. But then, I don't usually have people ask that question...they either already know it's available for less elsewhere. Those who choose to buy it for less do, and those who don't, don't.
And frankly, I feel I am just as honorable as anyone who decided not to sign the IDA. I have no doubt that my honor will remain intact in spite of the fact that I signed it. There is nothing in the IDA that asks me to be dishonest or dishonorable.
I'm a Close To My Heart rep and I'm sorry to hear about all the changes. I have a good friend who is a Stampin Up rep and we both reg. comment on each others products and refer one another. I'm sorry to see that won't be happening anymore on Stampin Ups end. I'm happy Close To My Heart doesn't have a policy like this but maybe with time it won't be so strict for SU and their consultants. Good Luck to All.
Anyone who is suggesting to people that "SU can't read your personal emails, so don't worry about that part of the IDA," is being less than honest with others, IMO
The IDA (it's posted, so even nondemos can read it) definitely says no sending links via personal emails to sites or stores that sell craft products, no posting links on personal blogs to sites or stores that sell craft products, and similar bans in Twitter, Facebook, and the other social sites.
That sounds pretty simple, but there are a lot of sites that sell craft products and some of them aren't actual craft stores. I was surprised to read in another place (or here, I don't know!) that places like Cord Camera and Oriental Trading Company sell a lot of craft things. We use OTC a lot for class and PTO prizes, so there are times I send those links in an email to another PTO mom. If I was a demo, I couldn't so that, even if the link was to bulk candy or stickers.
SU should just lay off the personal webspace stuff and say that when a person has identified herself as a demo THEN she can't send or post links to sites that sell craft products or talk about competing craft products. Trying to control what people send personally or for their schools & teams is really demanding a lot of control. IMO
I like SU products and I liked being a demo (I only quit because I was spending as much money outside SU as on SU). I don't think the company is intentionally being witchy and I also don't think they had any idea how big a deal this whole thing about personal vs business would be for some people.
Don't other companies allow their demos (or reps, whatever they're called) to have business blogs and personal blogs? I don't see why SU couldn't do that. People on DTs could keep that on their personal (or non-SU) blog. People who post shopping links on their family blogs could still do that.
I don't know a crafter on the planet who doesn't know about big box craft stores and their coupons, as well as what is available in those places. And those that are online have Google available if they want to find the best price on anything.
You would be surprised at the amount of people who do not do their research! Haven't you ever seen something on ebay get bid higher than a Buy it now! Or even higher for used than they could get it for new. That is not about customer service that is about not being informed. However, with that said I do believe that SOME will pay $60 more for the customer service and some will pay more for the black machine and the logo, especially demos. Some will even pay full price in the big box store, HECK! I am not going to say that anymore! I mean Michaels or Joann's!
LOL!
You would be surprised at the amount of people who do not do their research! Haven't you ever seen something on ebay get bid higher than a Buy it now! Or even higher for used than they could get it for new. That is not about customer service that is about not being informed. However, with that said I do believe that SOME will pay $60 more for the customer service and some will pay more for the black machine and the logo, especially demos. Some will even pay full price in the big box store, HECK! I am not going to say that anymore! I mean Michaels or Joann's!
LOL!
I've seen current SU! product go for more than the catalog price plus shipping and I am shaking my head then.
Ebay, for some, is not about finding a low price. It's all about "winning". It's hard not to keep bidding when you want something really badly...and that's why the higher prices.
I've seen current SU! product go for more than the catalog price plus shipping and I am shaking my head then.
Ebay, for some, is not about finding a low price. It's all about "winning". It's hard not to keep bidding when you want something really badly...and that's why the higher prices.
Ain't that the truth! I used to work with a lady who regretted for a very long time the ridiculous amount she spent on eBay to get Reindeer Print (I think) after it retired -- she never would tell us what her "winning" bid was, LOL! ;)
__________________ Rachel Proud SU! demo and Sci-Fi Geek!
My Stampin' Up! blog "I'm a time traveler -- I point and laugh at archaeologists." 10th Doctor, "Silence in the Library"
A bit of a hijack here, but it's not worth it's own thread:
Why do we call these stores the Big Box Stores? Is it just a name like "The Big Guns"? I remember on Wheel of Fortune people would say "I work for a major home improvement retailer.", or "I work for a major craft store." Why big box?
A bit of a hijack here, but it's not worth it's own thread:
Why do we call these stores the Big Box Stores? Is it just a name like "The Big Guns"? I remember on Wheel of Fortune people would say "I work for a major home improvement retailer.", or "I work for a major craft store." Why big box?
This is a term that's been bouncing around the building profession for a while -- it refers to the fact that the store is basically a big, non-descript box. If it didn't have signage with the specific chain's name, you probably wouldn't be able to tell what it was! ;) In the field of historic preservation, it's a derogatory term for those faceless concrete boxes with no architectural character.
__________________ Rachel Proud SU! demo and Sci-Fi Geek!
My Stampin' Up! blog "I'm a time traveler -- I point and laugh at archaeologists." 10th Doctor, "Silence in the Library"
I'm not a Demo......I was a Hobby Demo for a brief time last year and didn't like the constraints then. I feel like if SU paid for or promoted their Demos' blogs then they have a right to demand exclusivity. But if it's a personal blog then I don't agree with the demands. But that's just me.......I totally don't have any issues with any who love SU and want to stick with them. That's one thing about this crafting world.......it's all about choices!!! Personally I've sold all my SU stuff on ebay and won't buy from them again.
I've been noticing a lot of bloggers who are also demos. I never paid any attention before. Anyway, a lot of them are going to be in violation of the new agreement. We are either going to be losing a lot of inspiration or SU is going to be losing a lot of demos.
