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I was in Walmart today and noticed that they have Neenah card stock and papers. The card stock is 65 pound. I haven't stamped or bought card stock in a good while, but it seems that 65 pounds is kind of flimsy? Am I right? Thanks.
I usually use 80 lb that I order online. I think you're right that 65 lb may be a little flimsy because I don't think I'd want to go less than 80. I just discovered some Neenah 110 lb at Office Depot yesterday for what I thought was a good price. I think around $15 for 250 pieces.
Deb, just researching a little into the 110# Neenah cardstock you found - according to several comments on Amazon, the Neenah Exact Index Card Stock is "index stock" which is weighed on a different system. It corresponds to about a 74# cover stock. Just wanted to let you know! I use the Neenah Classic Crest cardstock, which is 110# and costs $40-60 a ream, depending on where you buy.
Deb, just researching a little into the 110# Neenah cardstock you found - according to several comments on Amazon, the Neenah Exact Index Card Stock is "index stock" which is weighed on a different system. It corresponds to about a 74# cover stock. Just wanted to let you know! I use the Neenah Classic Crest cardstock, which is 110# and costs $40-60 a ream, depending on where you buy.
Thanks so much for letting me know! I knew there had to be a catch. It seems very similar to my 80 lb Neenah. I think I'll just use it for stamping and die cutting and save the heavier paper for my card bases. Thanks for the info.
I never knew about the index weight vs. cover/card weight - I always wondered how the Walmart White (Georgia Pacific) could be considered the same as the Neenah... Hee! Now we know.
The *pound* weight (or basis weight) of paper is the weight of 500 sheets of that particular type of paper. All papers, whether text, bristol, index, or cover (or others) have their own size of sheet (or basis size). Sheet size might be 25x38 inches (for text paper) or 20x26 inches (for cover paper) or 25.5x30.5 inches (for index paper). So you see how you could get big differences when you cut those sheets down to 8.5 x 11.
For comparison, approximate equivalents are:
90 pound index = 60 pound cover
110 pound index = 75 pound cover
140 pound index = 90-95 pound cover
To equal a 110 pound Neenah classic crest cover stock you would need about 170 pound index stock.
All in all, the gsm, or grams per square meter, is a way better way to compare weights of paper. The paper sizes don't figure in that way.
And another tidbit of info...Cover stock is usually coated on one or both sides. Index is not. So you definitely have a better surface on the cover stock for stamping.
I use the Neenah Classic Crest cardstock, which is 110# and costs $40-60 a ream, depending on where you buy.
Dina...Packages of Classic crest are 250 sheets, or 1/2 ream. Is that price for the package, or for a ream? I pay $28 for a package of 250 sheets at my local paper store, that's why I'm asking. Amazon charges $56 for the same package :shock: .
Where are you getting the 110# ream for $40? I bought a ream from an online store a while back and it turned out to be only 80#. They gave me a $10 store credit, but they closed immediately after that, so never did get my money back. :(
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Dina...Packages of Classic crest are 250 sheets, or 1/2 ream. Is that price for the package, or for a ream? I pay $28 for a package of 250 sheets at my local paper store, that's why I'm asking. Amazon charges $56 for the same package :shock: .
1/2 ream of 110# Neenah Classic Crest for $28 is such a deal, Fionna. Does your "local paper store" ship?
Isn't a ream always 500 sheets, no matter the weight of the paper? ellenhutson.com is selling a ream as 250 sheets, but perhaps the weight is different from what we're talking about here?
Yes, a ream (a long ream) is always 500 sheets. Technically it is 20 quires (a quire is 25 sheets). However in some papers it is 480 sheets (called a short ream) and in others 516 sheets (called a printers ream).
That being said, some people call a package of paper a ream, incorrectly. I always check the package size because of that.
Concerning whether my paper store ships...I don't think that they do, and they don't have an online store.
Can you tell I used to work as an offset printer for a time?
Not really. ;) But it was like I was thrown in the deep end when I took that printing job. I went to the paper store to get paper and I went somewhere (I don't even remember, and that's bad!) to buy ink. Then I had to learn to make metal plates. I had all the equipment, but needed experience. So I befriended another offset printer person who was familiar with my ancient (world war II era) offset press. He helped me to learn what I needed to know. I did that job on the side for 5+ years. I learned a lot.
Deb, just researching a little into the 110# Neenah cardstock you found - according to several comments on Amazon, the Neenah Exact Index Card Stock is "index stock" which is weighed on a different system. It corresponds to about a 74# cover stock. Just wanted to let you know! I use the Neenah Classic Crest cardstock, which is 110# and costs $40-60 a ream, depending on where you buy.
Dini......you are so right about the Neenah paper. I bought the 110# from SAM's Club thinking wow what a great deal! Opened it and it's definately thinner than SU #80. That being said.....it is still a good layering weight. I've used it on countless numbers of cards just not for the base. I like it alot better than Recollections 65# white. Actually I use Recollection white 110# for my bases. It comes in Black, White and Cream over here.
Yes, a ream (a long ream) is always 500 sheets. Technically it is 20 quires (a quire is 25 sheets). However in some papers it is 480 sheets (called a short ream) and in others 516 sheets (called a printers ream).
That being said, some people call a package of paper a ream, incorrectly. I always check the package size because of that.
Concerning whether my paper store ships...I don't think that they do, and they don't have an online store.
Can you tell I used to work as an offset printer for a time?
Fionna...you are definately a walking Wikipedia! LOL
OMGoodness! I was born & raised in Elk Grove! Where I live now there are no stores... It would be a big road trip for me😉
I'd say a huge road trip:p I'm actually in Folsom and going to Natomas area takes about 45 minutes and I think of it as a "road trip" so I guess I better not complain LOL
Not really. ;) But it was like I was thrown in the deep end when I took that printing job. I went to the paper store to get paper and I went somewhere (I don't even remember, and that's bad!) to buy ink. Then I had to learn to make metal plates. I had all the equipment, but needed experience. So I befriended another offset printer person who was familiar with my ancient (world war II era) offset press. He helped me to learn what I needed to know. I did that job on the side for 5+ years. I learned a lot.
Have camped out on the Neenah site many times, attempting to decipher their business jargon. Thanks for the short course in paper weights. It helps a lot.
Also wonder if you might explain the properties of digital paper vs. "not digital". Using my old CorelDraw x5 program to generate sentiments is one application which makes me curious as to its properties.
As an aside, Neenah's site allows sampling 4 different papers for the cost of shipping. This makes a cost-effective way of seeing the true color, weight, etc. before investing in a quantity purchase. Sometimes, a few sheets are all that's necessary. I also ordered the Classic Crest Complete Communicator a thorough presentation of the line's samples including weights, finishes and colors including the elusive whites. Love it!
This is so interesting as I had been using GP 110 cs from Walmart. I felt it was not heavy enough so added an extra piece on the inside. I have now bought Recollections 110 cs from Michaels. it feels so much richer (heavier). I also have Gina K cs 120 heavy base
weight. So convusing. The Michaels Recollections was the best deal as I had a coupon.
The Michaels cs does not feel too heavy. Is that risk also?
All in all, the gsm, or grams per square meter, is a way better way to compare weights of paper. The paper sizes don't figure in that way.
I've seen this recommendation before that gsm is a better way to compare paper weights, but not all retailers give that info. Usually they just tell how many pounds the paper is and there's not even a mention of whether its index or cover. :(
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I've seen this recommendation before that gsm is a better way to compare paper weights, but not all retailers give that info. Usually they just tell how many pounds the paper is and there's not even a mention of whether its index or cover. :(
Again...my wonderful local paper store provided me with a sample book of all the Neenah Classic Crest papers. I just get it out and pet it sometimes! I LOVE some of the new textures and when I have the bucks, I'm going to see if I can get single packages of any of them. Oooh, yummy.
This thread got me to thinking perhaps I could find a good deal from my local printer. I called the one that is closest to my house. They don't stock paper to sell but were willing to order me a package of 250. Cost = $48. So that paper is just really expensive
I see that there are some Amazon warehouse scratch and dent packages for $39. One could take the gamble that the paper would still be usable.
I am a new copic colorist, and am going through the experimentation of various papers. I did invest a small amount in the Hammermill Cover Copy 80# for $11 and it is working well for me for coloring and for stamping on. However I have used Neenah and the Xpress It papers and they are very, very nice to work with.
I get a sheet or two of the Neenah in my monthly CS kit and always pull it out to save for copic projects. This is the only access to the Neenah paper I have right now.
I use 110# for my card bases, Recollections is the best price for me at Michaels with a coupon. (hey there's a one day 50% off today...hmmm, Im getting low on my white...)
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